Talking about it, being around people like me. Between the support groups, between ... well, a big piece of this is actually the support groups. Going out and seeing other women just like myself, seeing older women, you know? There’s women in my ... that I’ve met in my travels, you know, that I can just totally connect and relate to, and seeing that, those images ... I need that, I need that, you know? When I was first diagnosed, because I didn’t see that, it really kept me even more depressed because I didn’t see anyone like me. And I immediately started to write and someone got a hold to my writing, and the next thing you know, everything that I was saying in terms of I’m not seeing anyone like me. I need to see a, you know, a young African-American woman like professional like me with MS, and the next thing you know, someone said, "Well, if you if you want to talk about it, if you want to ask about it, then you could be about it.” And immediately I went out and became very involved in terms of talking with many others with the illness, and in that journey of going out and talking about my experience, in a lot of ways, it was kind of therapeutic for me because I got to meet a variety of people, you know, at different stages of their journey, some that were newly diagnosed, as myself at that time, to people 10, 15, 20 years, well into their illness. The one thing that was common with everyone was that they had hope. So seeing that definitely, you know, encourages me. You know, when I’m at my weakest I think of the many people in my travels, and I’m like, hey, if they could do it, I know I can.